Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/08/2003 07:08 AM House W&M

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HB 293-STATE SALES AND USE TAX                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  announced that  the  next  order of  business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  293, "An  Act levying and  collecting a                                                               
state sales and use tax; and providing for an effective date."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  explained that originally  HB 293 was a  state sales                                                               
and use  tax.  The version  before the committee now  includes an                                                               
increase of  $.12 per gallon in  highway motor fuel tax  that had                                                               
been proposed  by the governor  at the beginning of  the session.                                                               
There are no  changes in aviation gas, jet fuel,  marine fuel, or                                                               
off-road motor fuel, he added.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0223                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HAWKER  moved to adopt CS  for HB 293, Version  CSHB 293                                                               
bil.doc, dated 5/8/03,  as the working document.   There being no                                                               
objection,  Version CSHB  293 bil.doc,  dated 5/8/03,  was before                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0225                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  explained  that  Section  1  of  the  bill  is  the                                                               
enforcement provision for motor  vehicles that might be purchased                                                               
out  of state.   What  this says  is if  an individual  wishes to                                                               
register his/her vehicle in Alaska,  it will be necessary to show                                                               
proof  that the  sales and  use  tax has  been paid.   Section  2                                                               
rewrites a  significant portion of  Title 29, it is  rewritten to                                                               
eliminate  the  municipal  authority  to  enforce,  collect,  and                                                               
administer sales and use taxes, he  said.  Under this version the                                                               
Department of  Revenue would  be responsible  for administration,                                                               
enforcement,  and collection  of  the  sales and  use  tax.   The                                                               
exemptions would be  set by the legislature in  statute and would                                                               
be applied to the rate  rules municipalities want collected.  The                                                               
[tax] rate for municipalities would still  be up to them, but the                                                               
exemptions,  rules,  and  enforcement  would be  handled  by  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  went on to say  Section 7 deals with  the motor fuel                                                               
tax increase which would  go from 8 cents a gallon  to 20 cents a                                                               
gallon.   He  reiterated  that this  increase  would not  include                                                               
aviation gas, jet fuel, marine fuel, or off-road motor fuel.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0409                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH asked about Sections, 3, 4, 5, and 6.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  responded that  those sections  are the  rewrites of                                                               
Title 29.   He  explained that this  legislation sets  a combined                                                               
cap of  state and municipal  sales tax of  8 percent.   Section 3                                                               
covers a phase-in  [sales tax].  This  legislation specifies that                                                               
when the tax goes into effect  on January 1, 2004, whatever [tax]                                                               
the municipality has in place at  that time will remain in place.                                                               
Therefore, if there is not  sufficient room between the 8 percent                                                               
cap and  what the municipalities  have [on the books],  the state                                                               
would collect  less [in state  sales taxes].   For example,  if a                                                               
city gets a 6 percent tax as  of January 1, 2004, the state would                                                               
collect 8 percent  in that community, the city  would receive its                                                               
full  6 percent,  and the  state would  receive 2  percent.   Mr.                                                               
Persily noted that this bill has  a seasonal sales tax feature to                                                               
it because there is a 2  percent sales tax from October 1 through                                                               
March 31  and 4 percent sales  tax from April 1  to September 30.                                                               
He explained that he is providing  an overview of the bill rather                                                               
than going section by section.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0617                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY turned  attention to  Section  9, page  9, line  21,                                                               
where it  spells out  the state's  portion of  the tax  under the                                                               
seasonal tax.  Section 3, page  4, describes how the sales tax is                                                               
shared with municipalities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH commented  that this  would mean  if an                                                               
individual purchased  a car in  the summer he/she would  pay more                                                               
tax than if it was purchased in the winter.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY responded  that would depend on  where the individual                                                               
lives.  For  example, Petersburg has a 6 percent  tax and because                                                               
there is an  8 percent cap, those residents would  pay 8 percent.                                                               
However, if  the buyer  lives in  Anchorage, there  would be  a 2                                                               
percent tax  in the fall  [and winter] and  4 percent tax  in the                                                               
spring  and summer  because  Anchorage [don  not  already have  a                                                               
municipal sales tax].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if a  Petersburg resident could buy a                                                               
vehicle  in Anchorage,  pay the  sales  tax there  because it  is                                                               
lower.   She asked if the  sales tax would only  be charged where                                                               
the vehicle  was purchased, provided  the purchase took  place in                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0745                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBYNN  WILSON,  Revenue  Auditor, Tax  Division,  Department  of                                                               
Revenue,  answered  questions   on  HB  293.     In  response  to                                                               
Representative  Wilson's  question,  she replied  that  it  would                                                               
depend on whether  that municipality had a use tax.   She pointed                                                               
out that many localities do not have  a use tax.  For example, if                                                               
a car  was purchased in  Anchorage and  taken to another  city if                                                               
that city  had a use tax,  there would be some  rate adjustments.                                                               
If the  city where the  purchaser lived did  not have a  use tax,                                                               
then he/she would just pay the tax where it was purchased.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0809                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON concluded then that  if she purchases a car                                                               
in state, and returns  home with it, she would not  have to pay a                                                               
tax where she lives.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  replied that  if the  town where  she lives  does not                                                               
have a use tax,  that would be correct.  If the  town does have a                                                               
use  tax  then there  may  be  an  additional  fee.   In  further                                                               
response to Representative Wilson,  Ms. Wilson clarified that she                                                               
would not pay  the state tax again, but there  may be a municipal                                                               
portion that  may be adjusted  if the  city [in which  she lives]                                                               
has a use tax.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0933                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  provided the  following example.   If  an individual                                                               
buys  a vehicle  in a  community  that has  a 2  percent tax  and                                                               
brings it  back to his/her community  where there is a  5 percent                                                               
use tax.   In this case,  the individual would owe  the community                                                               
the 3 percent difference.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER pointed  out that  is no  different than  [the                                                               
current policy].  He explained his  comment by saying that if she                                                               
were to purchase  a vehicle in Anchorage today and  return to her                                                               
community  with   the  vehicle,  she   would  have  to   pay  her                                                               
community's use tax.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  responded that she  did not do  that [when                                                               
she purchased a vehicle].                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  pointed out  that  without  the connection  to  the                                                               
vehicle registration, enforcement is  very difficult.  Therefore,                                                               
this  legislation includes  a provision  that  specifies that  in                                                               
order to  register a  vehicle there  must be  proof of  sales tax                                                               
payment.   The  aforementioned would  ensure that  individuals do                                                               
not buy cars in the Lower 48 in order to avoid sales tax.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1036                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY told  the committee that in Section  3 the department                                                               
was directed by the co-chairs to  craft a way to phase-in a point                                                               
at which  the state gets  its full 2  percent and 4  percent, and                                                               
the communities  get their 2 percent  and 4 percent.   This would                                                               
allow  time for  communities to  adjust their  sales tax  to stay                                                               
within the  8 percent  cap.   On January  1, 2004,  any municipal                                                               
sales tax that is in effect  will be collected by the full amount                                                               
by the  state.  On January  1, 2008, the maximum  municipal sales                                                               
tax  would  be   6  percent.    In   response  to  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg,   Mr.  Persily   specified  that   the  aforementioned                                                               
language is in Section 3 on page 4, line 22.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1141                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER announced  that  Mr. Persily  will be  working                                                               
through the bill  section by section, but if he  comes to a point                                                               
in the bill  where it is necessary to look  at another section to                                                               
fully understand  it, then  he will  move to  that section.   The                                                               
committee is looking at Section 3, page 4, lines 21-26, he said.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  noted  for  the  record  that  Representative                                                               
Seaton had joined the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1220                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  told the  members that  municipalities with  a sales                                                               
tax will  continue to  receive the full  amount of  the municipal                                                               
tax for  four years, through January  1, 2008.  After  January 1,                                                               
2008,  state statute  would specify  that  the maximum  municipal                                                               
sales and  use tax would  be 6  percent.  Therefore,  a community                                                               
with a 7  percent sales tax would see a  decrease in tax revenues                                                               
by 1 percent.   On Jan 10, 2010, the  maximum municipal sales tax                                                               
rate would go to 5 percent  during the summer, because during the                                                               
winter the  state is only  taking 2 percent  so there is  still 6                                                               
percent  available  for  municipalities.    However,  during  the                                                               
summer of 2010 the maximum municipal  rate would go to 5 percent.                                                               
During the summer  of 2012 the maximum municipal  sales tax would                                                               
be 4 percent,  and the tax could  still be 6 percent  the rest of                                                               
the year.   The intent  of this  [phased-in approach] is  to give                                                               
municipalities time to adjust to  a state-mandated lower rate and                                                               
also allow  municipalities to  see how  the state  exemptions and                                                               
state  administered sales  tax [impact  revenues].   Mr.  Persily                                                               
noted that if  this bill were to pass, many  communities may find                                                               
they could collect the same revenue with a lower tax rate.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1348                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  asked Mr.  Persily to  comment on  what affect                                                               
the period  between January 1,  2004, and January 1,  2008, would                                                               
have on municipalities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY responded  that during  that time  period the  state                                                               
would collect  whatever sales tax  rate is  on the books  and the                                                               
cities would receive  the full collections off of that  rate.  He                                                               
agreed with Co-Chair Whitaker's statement  that there is a 4-year                                                               
adjustment period and then a four-year set-down period.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1431                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON   asked   for  clarification   that   the                                                               
percentage goes up  to 4 percent in the summer  because the state                                                               
anticipates that  there will be  higher revenues then.   However,                                                               
he interpreted that to mean  that when there are higher revenues,                                                               
the municipalities will collect less taxes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY clarified  that what  the  state is  saying in  this                                                               
legislation is that a seasonal  feature is important to pass more                                                               
of  the burden  on to  nonresident visitors.   Those  cities that                                                               
have sales  taxes at 5-7 percent  will have to reduce  their rate                                                               
to  stay within  the 8  percent cap  for the  eventual 4  percent                                                               
state collection.  Mr. Persily  noted that because of fewer state                                                               
exemptions these cities may not see  a loss of revenue.  It would                                                               
be necessary, once the state code  is adopted, to compare it with                                                               
the municipal  code item  by item  in order to  see how  it would                                                               
affect local collections.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1542                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON surmised  that legislators  will not  know                                                               
what affect  this required seasonal  reduction in sales  tax will                                                               
have on municipalities until the entire process is complete.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  responded that each  of the  municipalities' finance                                                               
officers  could look  at the  bill,  compare it  to its  existing                                                               
code, and probably reach a good  estimate with regard to how this                                                               
bill would affect municipal collection.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1621                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG said in the summer  Kodiak has a lot of people                                                               
buying groceries for the fishing  season.  Kodiak's current sales                                                               
tax is 6 percent,  [with this bill it] would be  up to 8 percent.                                                               
Therefore, he surmised  that the tendency would be  for people to                                                               
purchase supplies in Anchorage where  the sales tax would only be                                                               
4 percent.  He asked if  Mr. Persily believes that kind of impact                                                               
will be felt [by communities such as Kodiak].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY acknowledged  that imposing  a higher  sales tax  on                                                               
communities  that already  have one,  means  there is  a risk  of                                                               
affecting  the  local economy.    He  stated  that he  could  not                                                               
speculate on the  impact, although it is  something the committee                                                               
will want to  consider.  Mr. Persily commented  that human nature                                                               
being what  it is there  will be some people  who will go  out of                                                               
their way  to save a  little money.  Adding  to the sales  tax is                                                               
going  to increase  the cost  of purchasing  goods.   He said  he                                                               
could not  provide any estimates between  communities, but common                                                               
sense says that it would affect some spending decisions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1815                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG commented that most  of the testimony heard on                                                               
this bill has  come from areas outside the  metropolitan areas of                                                               
Fairbanks  or Anchorage  and many  of  these communities  already                                                               
have high  sales taxes.   He said it would  be good to  know what                                                               
impact this bill  will have on small communities.   He questioned                                                               
whether  this  will  cause  commerce   to  flow  out  of  smaller                                                               
communities to [larger urban] areas.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  replied  that  the department  does  not  have  the                                                               
ability  to create  a model  to predict  the impact  of a  higher                                                               
sales  tax  and the  effect  it  will  have on  shopping  habits.                                                               
Although there  may be economists  somewhere in the  country that                                                               
could do that, he said he does not  know of anyone who could do a                                                               
credible model.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG said  he believes there is  a delicate balance                                                               
and if  it is altered,  then things start to  shift.  He  said he                                                               
wants to  know what  that potential shift  will be  before moving                                                               
into it.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER reiterated that if  the legislature does not do                                                               
something, the consequences  are dire.  He added that  it will be                                                               
necessary to  make adjustments to the  bill in this body  as well                                                               
as  the other  body.   This  bill  allows for  a  time period  of                                                               
adjustment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WHITAKER  noted  for the  record  that  Representatives                                                               
Heinze and Kohring had joined the meeting.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2108                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked Mr.  Persily if he  understands this                                                               
correctly.   In communities that  have, for example, a  6 percent                                                               
sales taxes in place, the tax would  be capped at 8 percent.  The                                                               
same  8 percent  will  be charged,  but based  on  whether it  is                                                               
winter or  summer will  determine what  [percentage] goes  to the                                                               
city and what [percentage] goes to the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY responded that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2149                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON offered  a hypothetical  example in  which                                                               
the sales tax is 6 percent in  Kodiak.  In such a situation, what                                                               
would the City of Kodiak collect in 2004, she asked.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY replied  that on  January 1,  2004, the  state would                                                               
collect a total  of 8 percent with 6 percent  going to Kodiak and                                                               
2 percent to the state.   Under this bill, in Kodiak's case there                                                               
would be  a 5 percent limit  January 1, 2010.   During the summer                                                               
months the state  would continue to collect 8 percent  of which 5                                                               
percent would go  to Kodiak and 3  percent to the state.   In the                                                               
winter months, the  state would continue to collect  8 percent of                                                               
which 2  percent would go to  the state and 6  percent to Kodiak.                                                               
On January  1, 2012,  the final  year of  the phase-in,  when the                                                               
municipal  limit is  4 percent  in the  summer months,  the state                                                               
would  collect 8  percent,  keep  4 percent,  and  give Kodiak  4                                                               
percent.   In the winter  the state  would give Kodiak  6 percent                                                               
and keep 2 percent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2319                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if  she understands  this correctly.                                                               
In Kodiak's case the state will  collect 8 percent, and give back                                                               
6  percent until  the  year 2010  at which  time  the state  will                                                               
continue  to collect  8 percent,  but  only return  5 percent  to                                                               
Kodiak.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY responded  that Kodiak  will  get 5  percent in  the                                                               
summer  months, and  6  percent  in the  winter  months when  the                                                               
state's rate  drops.  Mr.  Persily turned  to Section 5,  page 5,                                                               
which covers the  same phase-in language for cities.   It has the                                                               
same effect, one for boroughs, and one for cities.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2417                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked about unified municipalities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  responded  that  he is  not  sure  whether  unified                                                               
municipalities fall under boroughs or cities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON related  that the community of  Homer has a                                                               
3.5 percent [sales tax] while the  borough has a 2 percent [sales                                                               
tax], and  therefore the total sales  tax is 5.5 percent.   Which                                                               
entity loses money, he asked.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY responded  that since both the borough  and city fall                                                               
under  the  [8  percent  cap],   the  state  would  lose  out  on                                                               
collections while  the city  and borough  would receive  the full                                                               
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2559                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  pointed out that  Sections 6-8 deal with  motor fuel                                                               
tax change.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted that Sections  6 and 7 refer to 20                                                               
cents per  gallon and Section  8 refers  to 18 cents  per gallon.                                                               
He asked why there is a difference in [the motor fuel] tax.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON replied  that Section  8 addresses  the fuel  used on                                                               
highways.  Currently, an individual would  pay [a tax of] 8 cents                                                               
a gallon on fuel.  If  the fuel is used off-road, that individual                                                               
would be entitled  to a 6-cent refund, which means  2 cents would                                                               
be paid.   This bill  does not change  taxation of net  fuel used                                                               
off-road, so an individual would pay  20 cents for that gallon of                                                               
fuel and  then be refunded  18 cents.   This section is  a refund                                                               
provision which maintains the status  quo under which 2 cents per                                                               
gallon is paid for off-road use.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2746                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  commented that there is  an increase of                                                               
12 cents per gallon.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON replied  that  is  correct.   The  fuel  used on  the                                                               
highway is increased by 12 cents  per gallon.  To keep status quo                                                               
on the off-road highway use,  the refund is increased which keeps                                                               
the fuel tax at 2 cents per gallon.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH  commented that  many people  pull their                                                               
boats or RVs  to the gas station, and fill-up  both tanks at same                                                               
time.  He  said he is pretty  sure that most people  do not apply                                                               
for a refund even though these are off-road vehicles.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2853                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  told the  members that a  boat is  considered "marine                                                               
use" and  is in a  separate section, so  it is not  consider off-                                                               
road  for state  purposes.    She agreed  that  it  is true  that                                                               
refunds are available for off-road  vehicles by submitting a form                                                               
and receipt for purchase of the fuel to the state.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2905                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG asked  if this  section  delineates that  the                                                               
state will be the collector of sales tax.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY,  in response  to Representative  Ogg, said  that the                                                               
state  would administer,  collect, enforce,  audit, and  send the                                                               
checks  to  the communities  where  the  state has  collected  on                                                               
behalf of that community.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2940                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG suggested  that there  may be  [some economic                                                               
advantage] by  using tax collection  systems that  cities already                                                               
have in place and suggested  some flexibility be written into the                                                               
legislation.  Cities  may be better at tax collection  due to the                                                               
fact  that they  know the  people and  the system  is already  in                                                               
place.  He reiterated that he  believes it would be beneficial to                                                               
allow the  state to use  the existing municipal tax  structure to                                                               
collect the sales tax.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  pointed out that  this bill would bring  Alaska into                                                               
compliance with  the Streamlined  Sales Tax  Project, which  is a                                                               
nationwide  effort.   This compliance  would allow  the state  to                                                               
obtain sales  tax from the  Internet purchases, mail  orders, and                                                               
catalog sales if Congress changes the  law.  This will be worth a                                                               
lot in future.   One of the requirements of  [compliance] is that                                                               
the state  be the administrator  of the sales  tax.  The  idea is                                                               
that businesses would send one check  to the state rather than to                                                               
many  different local  jurisdictions.   Although  this would  not                                                               
stop the state  from working on contract or  some other agreement                                                               
with  local  municipalities to  assist  in  enforcement work,  in                                                               
order to comply with the  Streamlined Sales Tax Project the state                                                               
must be the central administration point.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 3143                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG replied  that is  exactly his  point; if  the                                                               
state is the central administration  point why not give the state                                                               
the option  of allowing  a city  to be  agent.   The city  as the                                                               
agent  would not  mean  that sovereignty  of  collecting the  tax                                                               
would  passes to  the municipality,  but it  could allow  for tax                                                               
collection locally.   If this  would save money and  collect more                                                               
taxes, he said he believes it would be a viable option.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  explained  that  this   is  an  effort  to  maintain                                                               
simplicity for businesses, particularly  for businesses that have                                                               
commerce in  multiple locations.   The goal is for  that business                                                               
to write  one check.  For  instance, a company could  contact the                                                               
state and ask  for the sales tax rate for  a particular zip code.                                                               
This would enable businesses to rely  on the state to advise them                                                               
when there is a change in the rate.   Ms. Wilson said that to the                                                               
extent   that  arrangement   is   not   threatened,  a   contract                                                               
arrangement would not be a problem.   The overall goal is to keep                                                               
it simple for  businesses and not to have, for  example, 10 audit                                                               
teams coming in to audit  a business for 10 different localities.                                                               
Only  the state  would  do  the audit;  however,  there would  be                                                               
nothing  to prevent  the state  from contracting  with a  city to                                                               
perform an audit.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 3410                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referred to  Section  7,  page 7,  and                                                               
asked  why  the  legislature  would increase  the  tax  on  motor                                                               
vehicle  fuel  when  there  is   no  increase  on  aviation  gas,                                                               
watercraft fuel, and aviation jet fuel.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY   responded  that  was   a  decision  made   by  the                                                               
administration.  He  pointed out that in Alaska's  case the motor                                                               
fuel tax rate  is the lowest in the nation  and has not increased                                                               
in  over  30 years.    Mr.  Persily  commented that  those  facts                                                               
entered greatly into the decision.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 3450                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked  how  aviation  gas,  watercraft                                                               
fuel,  and aviation  jet fuel  rates  compare with  the rates  in                                                               
other states.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  commented that  he could get  that information.   He                                                               
said  the  collections  on aviation  gas,  watercraft  fuel,  and                                                               
aviation jet fuel is not very  significant.  If this is an effort                                                               
to look for more revenues to  pay for public services, there is a                                                               
lot  more gas  that  goes  into cars,  pickup  trucks, and  SUVs.                                                               
Currently, there  are exemptions written into  state statutes for                                                               
the cargo business out of Anchorage airport, he added.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 3545                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG questioned  [why]  this exemption  [for                                                               
cargo] is in state statute and  is letting huge planes go through                                                               
Alaska and not raising taxes at all.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  responded  that  the  decision  [to  provide  these                                                               
exemptions]  was made  by the  legislature some  years ago  as an                                                               
incentive  to  help build  the  international  cargo business  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 3621                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG  commented that  it  is  a very  complex                                                               
issue, and  not merely an  incentive [to the  international cargo                                                               
business].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  pointed out  that this is  not such  a complex                                                               
issue  that  an  answer to  Representative  Gruenberg's  question                                                               
cannot be  obtained.   He told  Representative Gruenberg  that an                                                               
answer to his question would be provided.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 3652                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY explained  that in Section 9, page 9,  Chapter 44, is                                                               
the sales  and use tax  language and  most of the  language deals                                                               
with  the  mechanics of  collecting  and  administering the  tax.                                                               
Page 9, line  21, covers the state portion of  the tax, 2 percent                                                               
in the winter and 4 percent  in the summer, and explains that the                                                               
amount is  decreased based on  what the  city or borough  tax may                                                               
be.   Mr. Persily pointed to  one provision on page  10, line 22,                                                               
which  requires  that  the  sales  and use  tax  must  be  stated                                                               
separately on the sales so the  purchaser knows the amount of the                                                               
tax  and the  amount  of the  goods.    On page  11,  line 3;  he                                                               
explained that  "Nexus" means  to the  full extent  under federal                                                               
law and  the U.S. Constitution.   Therefore,  if an entity  has a                                                               
nexus or  any connection with  the State  of Alaska, a  sales and                                                               
use tax can be collected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 3829                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  offered a technical amendment,  on page                                                               
11, line 5, insert the word  "a" before the words "nexus with the                                                               
State  of  Alaska".   There  being  no objection,  the  technical                                                               
amendment was adopted.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON asked  for an  example of  someone with  a                                                               
nexus with the State of Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON posed  an example  in  which a  catalog company  buys                                                               
products.   If  the  aforementioned company  has  no presence  or                                                               
connection  in  the state  of  Alaska,  [the consumer]  would  be                                                               
responsible for the  use tax.  If, however,  that catalog company                                                               
had an  office or  some a  physical presence  in the  state, then                                                               
that catalog company would have to collect the tax.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 3927                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  pointed out  that the language  on page                                                               
10, lines  27-28, AS 43.44.040(c),  impinges on free speech  in a                                                               
commercial context  and the  ability to contract.   He  asked why                                                               
the  state has  such an  overriding interest  in imposing  such a                                                               
prohibition.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON replied  that she  is not  an attorney;  however, she                                                               
related that  most states have this  provision.  The goal  of the                                                               
provision  is  to ensure  that  all  businesses  are on  a  level                                                               
playing  field, so  that there  is not  one retailer  advertising                                                               
that it will absorb the tax.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked if anyone  has checked to  see if                                                               
this provision [is allowable under the constitution].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 4028                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER  replied that  he would guess  that it  has not                                                               
been  checked.   He  told  Representative  Gruenberg that  he  is                                                               
making notes of questions that need  to be answered and a written                                                               
opinion  will be  obtained from  Legislative  Legal and  Research                                                               
Services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 4044                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY referred to page 11,  line 7, which deals with exempt                                                               
sales.      This   legislation   includes   a   requirement   for                                                               
certificates.    If, for  example,  an  individual is  purchasing                                                               
something   that  is   exempt  from   sales  tax,   an  exemption                                                               
certificate would  be presented to  the business so  the business                                                               
has some assurance that it is  a nontaxable item.  The department                                                               
shall provide these exemption certificates.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  commented that  she feels  very frustrated                                                               
that she did not  have time to read the bill.   The review of the                                                               
bill  is  going so  fast,  she  said,  that  she does  not  fully                                                               
understand what the committee is doing.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 4214                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  referred to  page  12,  line  6, which  deals  with                                                               
exemptions.  Line  6 explains that any sales to  or by government                                                               
agencies, whether  federal, state, or municipal,  would be exempt                                                               
from sales tax.  Subsection (b)  on page [12] makes it clear that                                                               
utilities are not exempt from the sales and use tax, he said.                                                                   
MS. WILSON pointed out that  page 12, lines 11-12, clarifies that                                                               
that  although government  entities  are  exempt, that  exemption                                                               
does not  include utilities that might  be provided by a  city or                                                               
governmental entity.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 4411                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY further  clarified that  if there  is a  municipally                                                               
operated utility that sells services  to residents or businesses,                                                               
those  services are  subject to  a sales  tax as  opposed to  the                                                               
government,  for example,  selling land,  which would  be exempt.                                                               
In  response to  Representative Wilson,  Mr. Persily  pointed out                                                               
that the City of Wrangell  provides utilities and charges a sales                                                               
tax on those utilities.   That practice would continue under this                                                               
legislation,  he  said.   Mr.  Persily  explained  that  although                                                               
subsection  (a) on  page 12,  line 6,  specifies that  government                                                               
sales are  exempt from sales  tax, that exemption does  not apply                                                               
to utility services provided by government.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 4506                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY addressed page 12, line  13, regarding sales to or by                                                               
501(c)(3) corporations.   That language  specifies that  sales to                                                               
or by  the IRS are  exempt from the  tax.  Mr.  Persily clarified                                                               
that this is about charitable  organizations.  Although there are                                                               
other  IRS  tax-exempt organizations,  a  501(c)(3)  is the  IRS'                                                               
designation for charitable organizations.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 4604                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  directed attention to page  12, line 9,                                                               
where it refers to federally  recognized tribes and asked if that                                                               
would include all Native organizations.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  responded   that  there  is  a   list  of  federally                                                               
recognized tribes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  added that  the federally  recognized list  does not                                                               
include regional Native corporations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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Number 4648                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH agreed  that  the federally  recognized                                                               
tribe list does not include regional corporations.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 4631                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  reviewed exemptions from  the sales tax  starting on                                                               
page 12,  line 17, which  provides that purchases made  under the                                                               
food stamp  program or WIC  program are exempt; line  23 provides                                                               
that  wages,  salaries,  and  commissions  are  exempt;  line  27                                                               
provides  that insurance  premiums are  exempt; line  31 provides                                                               
that  dividends and  interest are  exempt;  and page  13, line  5                                                               
provides that garage  sales or isolated or  occasional sales, and                                                               
fundraising by nonprofit  groups that may not be  a 501(c)(3) are                                                               
also exempt.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 4500                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  why  proceeds from  the  sales  of                                                               
stocks, bonds, or securities are exempt.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  said  there  would  be  very  tough  administrative                                                               
problems  with  [taxing  stocks,  bonds,  or  securities].    For                                                               
example, would the sales tax be  on gross proceeds of the sale or                                                               
just on the profit.  Furthermore,  if an individual lost money on                                                               
the sale,  would the state  want to send  back some sales  tax on                                                               
the amount the individual lost.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 4417                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON replied that traditionally  sales tax has been applied                                                               
to tangible  personal property.   This  legislation is  a broader                                                               
bill and direction was given to exempt those items.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG commented that he  can see why the state                                                               
might not  want to  tax a citizen  who sold stock.   He  asked if                                                               
that would also apply to the purchase of the stock.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  restated  Representative  Gruenberg's  question  by                                                               
using the  example of an  individual who buys stock  from Merrill                                                               
Lynch.   Does Merrill Lynch  charge that individual sales  tax on                                                               
the purchase of the stock, he asked.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON  replied  that  the  bill  taxes  sales  of  tangible                                                               
personal property and  services; stock is intangible  so it falls                                                               
outside the prevue of this bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 4255                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked if he  is correct in saying that a                                                               
copy write or a patent purchase is not taxable.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON responded that is correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 4228                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  explained that  normally a sales  and use  tax deals                                                               
with  tangible  personal  property;  those  items  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg  mentioned are  intangible.   He added  that he  is not                                                               
aware of  a constitutional  prohibition against  a sales  and use                                                               
tax  on an  intangible  item,  but it  would  put  Alaska at  the                                                               
leading edge in finding things on which to assess a sales tax.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  if   fishing  permits   would  be                                                               
nontaxable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON replied that is correct; it is an intangible asset.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY referred  to  page  13, line  13,  which deals  with                                                               
household effects brought into Alaska  and noted that these items                                                               
would not be taxed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 4136                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MOSES inquired  as to whether the  tax would apply                                                               
to construction camps where there are bunkhouses and mess halls.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILSON responded  that  real property  is  not being  taxed.                                                               
However, there is no exemption  provided for meals, services, and                                                               
lodging.  If these meals and  services are being sold there is no                                                               
exemption, and therefore, they would be taxable.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  posed an example  in which an  individual contracted                                                               
with a company  to provide meal services to his/her  work crew at                                                               
a construction  or fish  site.   The amount  of money  under that                                                               
contract would be subject to taxation under this legislation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MOSES commented  that [in  many cases]  it is  in                                                               
lieu of wages.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  replied that  an  argument  could  be made  that  a                                                               
portion of  all purchases goes  to wages of someone  who provided                                                               
the service or someone who built  the product.  This is much like                                                               
a sales tax that  would have to be paid to an  accountant to do a                                                               
tax return, or to a mechanic who  fixes your car, or to a company                                                               
that provides meal  services at the work site;  they are services                                                               
and would be taxed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 3940                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON commented  that in this situation, the  business is in                                                               
effect  the consumer  of the  service.   Although the  benefit is                                                               
passed on to  the employees, the business is the  consumer of the                                                               
meal service.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MOSES stated  that he needs more  clarity on this.                                                               
On the  North Slope  [these companies] should  be taxed.   [There                                                               
are employees]  eating in  mess halls  or being  provided lodging                                                               
and not  being charged.   He stated  he believes it  is essential                                                               
[that it be subject to sales and use tax].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY posed an example  in which an individual is operating                                                               
a  business on  the North  Slope  and contracts  with someone  to                                                               
provide meal service  to the company's workers.   That individual                                                               
would have to  pay sales tax on that service  that was purchased.                                                               
If the business is providing meals  and lodging to the workers at                                                               
no  charge,  as  Representative  Moses  mentioned,  there  is  no                                                               
taxable  transaction there.   There  is no  tax charged  to those                                                               
workers because they did not purchase services or goods.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 3800                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG  asked  about the  exemption  for  occasional                                                               
sales.  He asked about the  language that refers to "other than a                                                               
vehicle" and  asked how  that applies to  a rowboat  or sailboat.                                                               
Would such items be taxed, he asked.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILSON  agreed that there  needs to be some  clarification in                                                               
reference to the  term "vehicle."  The intent of  this section is                                                               
to not tax  garage sales, for example; however,  if an individual                                                               
sells a car every five years  that should be taxable.  Ms. Wilson                                                               
reiterated that the language could  use some clarification either                                                               
through statute or regulation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 3643                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WHITAKER agreed  with Ms. Wilson that there  is need for                                                               
clarification; however,  he said  he would  be concerned  if that                                                               
clarification were  to be done  through regulations  because this                                                               
is quite a substantial issue.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 3635                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  referred to page 13,  line 18, where there  is a cap                                                               
on  motor vehicles,  watercrafts,  aircrafts,  and mobile  homes,                                                               
regardless of  the purchase price  of those  items.  A  sales tax                                                               
would  be charged  up to  the  first $5,000  of the  price.   For                                                               
example, if there  were an 8 percent sales tax  and an individual                                                               
bought a  $30,000 car,  sales tax  would only  be charged  on the                                                               
first $5,000.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if the sales tax would be collected                                                                 
when [the buyer] changes the registration.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY said that is correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[HB 293 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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